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Old 09-26-2018, 02:16 AM
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Dear Bowker Motorrad,

This is now far beyond a joke.

The K1300S I bought from you in late 2016 has let me down yet again.

To remind you :-

Return 1 - Clutch judder. Small pushrod replaced. Did not cure the problem.

Return 2 - Clutch judder. New plates and bearing. Not perfect but acceptable clutch operation now.

Return 3 - Starter motor sprag clutch not engaging - starter spinning without turning the motor. You could not replicate the fault in your workshop so - bike returned.

Return 4 - Despite your assurances before I committed to buying the bike that it had already had the 'hot start' fix, the bike did indeed fail to even turn over on the very first truly hot day I rode if, after stopping for fuel. So me, a 63 year old asthmatic recovering from cancer surgery, had to push start it. Later, you apparently did fit the improved wiring loom and a new starter button.

This morning, I installed a freshly charged battery, looking forward to a ride over the wolds to a funeral in Scarborough. Turned the key, dash lit up. Hit the starter button. Zilch. Distant click in the bowels of the bike (relay??) but nothing else. Switched off. Tried three times. Zilch. So i had to drag out my 1997 K1200RS - started first time, as ever . . .

I shall make myself available (again) this Thursday and Friday after 1.30 pm - please arrange for Stuart to pick the bike up and get this latest fault fixed - he knows his way here by now.

I now intend to sell the f*cking thing before the warranty expires, and wish to god I had never traded in my trusty 2005 K1200S.

Please notify me of when I can expect Stuart - and can you please make the thing run reliably until I can advertise it and get some other poor sap to lose sleep over the thing?

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Given its date of original registration, I now suspect that my bike was thrown together on a Monday morning by a bunch of Germans nursing mammoth hangovers from the weekend's Oktoberfest, barely able to tell one end of a spanner from the other . . .
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Isn't it just the $h!ts when a bike keeps breaking down...


I feel for you bud...
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Thanks Louis

Don't know what I'll do next.

The K1300S is still the only bike that ticks all the boxes, but I just cannot trust it - and I need to on the trips I have planned.
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Thanks Louis

Don't know what I'll do next.

The K1300S is still the only bike that ticks all the boxes, but I just cannot trust it - and I need to on the trips I have planned.
David, I feel your pain.


I had a 2007 K1200S for 15 months. In many regards it was a fine bike, but during my ownership I lost the fuel strip twice, and I had it to the racetrack whereby I shut the bike off and 40 minutes later, zilch, nada, nothing. Was under warranty, dealer chalked it up to battery failure.


The end was me taking it on a "dream" trip for me, I put 5800 miles on the bike over 12 days. Each day being an amazing experience. The problem was that EWS issues were running rampant at the time and I found myself nervously pressing the starter button after each shutdown, questioning if I'd be stranded and waiting for a tow.


Other issues were being reported at the time too. I sold the bike the following spring. I found that I missed it, and didn't... although there still isn't much that sits in the niche that was held by the K1200S/K1300S.
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Thanks Louis

Don't know what I'll do next.

The K1300S is still the only bike that ticks all the boxes, but I just cannot trust it - and I need to on the trips I have planned.




That's definitely the question...


How many miles do you have on "Old Faithful" ?


In my book, my 02 RS is still one of the best I ever had. It does it all in amazing ways.

My mountain bike is an 05 GS and with all the servo modules issues, I decided to castrate the big dawg last week. Up to now, I haven't needed the abs and we'll see how I get proficient at manual braking again.


I just don't trust all the computer controlled gizmos on all the new models and hesitate to take the plunge on something that the wrenchers can't work on...

Kinda like why I got me a V-Strom three years ago. Simple, bullet proof, my daily driver.


Keep me posted,
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Isn't it just the $h!ts when a bike keeps breaking down...
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And friends keep laughing at you
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I apologize Louis Your 50$ offer was actually seriously considered at the time
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The end was me taking it on a "dream" trip for me, I put 5800 miles on the bike over 12 days. Each day being an amazing experience. The problem was that EWS issues were running rampant at the time and I found myself nervously pressing the starter button after each shutdown, questioning if I'd be stranded and waiting for a tow.
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I know. Every time you hit that crappy starter switch, your heart is in your mouth. Thing is, the 'liquorice allsorts' switch-gear on my 1997 RS has never failed. Why oh why did BMW sacrifice their long-established reputation for quality for the fast buck, reducing their manufacturing costs but keeping the inflated 'badge' sales price for a big fat margin, when people like me are gonna walk away.

This is what they used to make -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNZaHcP3eg

If I could, I'd probably buy a brand new K1200RS right now, if there was such a thing . .
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Thanks Louis

Don't know what I'll do next.

The K1300S is still the only bike that ticks all the boxes, but I just cannot trust it - and I need to on the trips I have planned.


Have you tried a Kawasaki ZX14R? I owned a 2009 K13S and it was a great bike and I didnt experience any of the issues you have. I ended up trading it in for a K16GTL. Last summer I got the itch for a lighter faster bike to complement the K16GTL and decided on the ZX14R.

I can tell you the ZX14R is every bit as good or better than the K13S. Similar riding ergonomics, much faster, handles just as well, and totally 100% reliable. The ZX14R enjoys enormous aftermarket support to fine tune it to your specifications. If you want more power you can flash the ECU, want a more relaxed riding position add bar risers and/or lower the pegs, want to take overnight trips add hard/soft panniers. I paid $11200 for a brand new 2017 ZX14RSE which is not a lot of money for how much motorcycle you get.

Negatives are few and may not be negatives depending on your point of view.
1. Ugly exhaust......fixed with lots of aftermarket exhast options
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Check one out and see what you think
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If I could, I'd probably buy a brand new K1200RS right now, if there was such a thing . .
Funny you say that, I *kinda* did that earlier this month. I bought an immaculate 2003 with 14k miles on it.


Really wish that it had the weight reduction of the KS, and the 35 or so extra horsepower... but I love that they seem to be built like a tank.
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Wellcraft - Many thanks for your suggestion. I may well check out the big Kwacker, definitely one for the short list.

You sure about the $11,200?

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Wellcraft - Many thanks for your suggestion. I may well check out the big Kwacker, definitely one for the short list.

You sure about the $11,200?

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Absolutely sure about the $11200. MSRP was $15500, dealership had it marked down to $11700 and I had a 500 dollar coupon from Kawasaki so my price before taxes, fees, etc was $11200.
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Wellcraft - Many thanks for your suggestion. I may well check out the big Kwacker, definitely one for the short list.

You sure about the $11,200?

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Base model list just over £12k. Performance sport model list at £13.7k. That's without extras. A good friend has one and he's very pleased with it. He's dealt with the chain issue by fitting a Scott Oiler. I've ridden it. The motor is stonkin but with 1450cc what do you expect.

BTW I doubt if Oktoberfest had any bearing on the build quality of your K13 - they're built in Berlin, not Munich!
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David:

I certainly understand your position in regard to getting rid of your K1300S. The sad thing is there are many many K1300's out there that run great.

I had a K1200S that had a few problems but for the most part a great bike.

Bought a 2013 K1300S that bike had all your issues and more - used a quart of oil every 800 miles - ran great just drank oil. BMW did a piston kit - still used the same amount of oil.

The day I was leaving for the KHCR(my first time going to this rally) went to start the bike and the starter sprag clutch decided to fail right then.

Traded that bike for my 2014 K1300S that bike ran perfect no issues.

It is really frustrating the lack of QC on these bikes.

I sold the 2014 and I still have not replaced it - I think I'm going to go with an S1000R - the few times I will go on a trip I think soft luggage will work just fine.

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Just get an RR. Problem solved. Just returned from a three day ride covering 1300 miles. Now have 35,500 trouble free miles. Have forgotten the several K1200RS, K1200S and K1300S...
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This is why some states have lemon laws. Should be more stringent yet. It's not that all copies of the K1300S are junk, just that it is engineered to a hair-thin edge and many bad ones sneaked past quality control--who probably didn't care. Feel for you and a pox on the dealer who won't fix it properly and finally. My 2009 has given me no troubles at all--knock wood.
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BTW I doubt if Oktoberfest had any bearing on the build quality of your K13 - they're built in Berlin, not Munich!

Philip - Yeah, I know, but that commute is easily possible on a K13 that actually starts . .
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I certainly understand the OPís pain while travelling to and from from the Aragon Moto GP I had no end of Brits asking about my K and described it as the most unreliable piece of junk iíve Owned since my Norton Jubliee in 69,it has broken down twice while on trips and left us in deep doo doo never mind the other hassles.

One of the joys of multiple bike ownership your more likely to tuff it out,yep I get the clutch thing Vines sorted mine out the second attempt or third if you include the original clutch,itís done an alternator and an ABS unit in 15000 miles itís been wet twice in 9 years hardly had a hard life.

Iíve lost track of the recalls itís had but the biggest problem I actually like it and stuck it out because I could,I prepped 3 bikes!! to go to Aragon but felt it was put up or shut up with the K and we arrived home yesterday and it survived but one thing is for sure itís far happier breathing UK air than the Spanish option!!!.

Looking at the OPís story while a bad bike is a bad bike you can also get the same with dealers,but if itís the only bike you have looks like itís time to bail.
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Chris - I may well end up bailing if it hesitates even for an instant (once fixed) before the 2 year warranty expires in December - but I'll never sell the ancient K1200RS.
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Have you tried a Kawasaki ZX14R?

Been looking. Problem is - how do I ride it wearing a blindfold so I don't have to see it? Horribly overstated - a cross between a 1950's Cadillac and the BatBike, or something Dan Dare might ride on his day off . .

Could reliable performance outweigh living with such an ugly machine?
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Just get an RR. .

Rode a rented S1000XR last year for California tour. Just couldn't live with the buzzing through the bars, 5,000 rpm at 70 mph.

My chainsaw is smoother than that
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Could reliable performance outweigh living with such an ugly machine?
Seems to work for GS owners 🤣
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Been looking. Problem is - how do I ride it wearing a blindfold so I don't have to see it? Horribly overstated - a cross between a 1950's Cadillac and the BatBike, or something Dan Dare might ride on his day off . .

Could reliable performance outweigh living with such an ugly machine?

Ive always liked the look of the ZX14R but I will admit the K13S is a better looking bike. If you want ugly the Huyabusa is downright ugly but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Just get an RR. Problem solved. Just returned from a three day ride covering 1300 miles. Now have 35,500 trouble free miles. Have forgotten the several K1200RS, K1200S and K1300S...
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Update.

Dealer has just picked up bike. Van driver is a racer and does his own spannering so he knows a thing or two about bikes.

I told him how my Optimate had been lit steady 'full-charge' green all night just before I installed the (original 2014) battery - and I then demonstrated that there was enough charge to flash the indicators and blast the horn. But the starter switch just created a subdued click in the bowels of the bike.

Now - he reckons this could simply be 'one dead cell' in the battery; the computer is reading this and telling the starter circuit not to bother even throwing the relay switch . . .

What do you guys think? In my experience of old British sports cars and 1970s/80s Japanese bikes, a battery running at say 5/6 charge (with one dead cell ?) will at least try to spin the thing up.

Does this 'computer says no' logic make sense to you?

Thanks, David

PS when the ignition key is turned off, there is a very strange noise from somewhere below the battery box, almost like a mechanical gurgle which dies away after a few seconds??
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Dealer has just picked up bike. Van driver is a racer and does his own spannering so he knows a thing or two about bikes.

I told him how my Optimate had been lit steady 'full-charge' green all night just before I installed the (original 2014) battery - and I then demonstrated that there was enough charge to flash the indicators and blast the horn. But the starter switch just created a subdued click in the bowels of the bike.

Now - he reckons this could simply be 'one dead cell' in the battery; the computer is reading this and telling the starter circuit not to bother even throwing the relay switch . . .

What do you guys think? In my experience of old British sports cars and 1970s/80s Japanese bikes, a battery running at say 5/6 charge (with one dead cell ?) will at least try to spin the thing up.

Does this 'computer says no' logic make sense to you?

Thanks, David

PS when the ignition key is turned off, there is a very strange noise from somewhere below the battery box, almost like a mechanical gurgle which dies away after a few seconds??
David:

I don't know if one dead cell is the reason or not - but I do know these bikes are so voltage dependent that the slightest drop in voltage absolutely screws things up.

My K1300S made a strange sound like you are describing when I shut it off as well - so does my RR.
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If you have a battery on a K that is more than 2 years old then your asking for trouble thatís my experience and hence why I just change them now no matter how well the battery is.

Optimateís/ battery tenders have their uses but frankly are no proof of anything,iíve Posted on here before that iíve Taken my K off an Optimate ridden 175 miles stopped for fuel and the battery was stone dead.
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I had it to the racetrack whereby I shut the bike off and 40 minutes later, zilch, nada, nothing. Was under warranty, dealer chalked it up to battery failure.


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EXACT same thing that I mentioned above in post 5. Dealer installed a new battery, claimed that the previous one had a bad cell. I found it odd given the battery had literally just worked an hour earlier at the track. Recall being annoyed at the K12S and extremely happy that I had the foresight to bring my VFR along to the track that day as well.
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Thanks again for responses.

I have no qualms about forking out for a new battery every couple of years, if that's all it takes to solve this.

It's just annoying to realise that the K treads such a fine line between being the finest (and best looking) bike I've ever ridden - and being such a source of frustration and disappointment that I'm tempted to bin it and turn Japanese.

Let's see what Bowker Motorrad say . .
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the battery is at least 4 years old maybe a lot older depending on its date of manufacture. Time for a new battery even if the battery is not the reason for your current issue.
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the battery is at least 4 years old maybe a lot older depending on its date of manufacture. Time for a new battery even if the battery is not the reason for your current issue.

Thanks - I may even carry a fully charged and new spare battery in my Motorrad Softbag.

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3 weeks ago just before we were setting off for the Aragon GP I actually prepped 3 bikes but as my other half said this K has to prove itself again,it had a new alternator 9 month old battery and was showing 14.2v on the charge but I don’t mind admitting as we rode onto the boat I was thinking!!!

Slightly different for me/us I guess because the bike has had a lot of money spent on it in other areas so it doesn’t ride like a stocker so there was a lot more incentive to get it back on track reliability wise and in fairness it’s come good to the point having been riding the K every day for a couple weeks had a mighty shock when I wheeled the X/R this week
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had a mighty shock when I wheeled the X/R this week


I can imagine - I had an FJ1200 for over a decade and loved every minute, but I bet it wouldn't feel quite so good now after several years on a K1200S and a couple of (interrupted) summers on the K13 . .
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Hmmm - been squinting again at the Kwacker.

Without those blunderbuss exhausts (why two?), and setting aside those fins along the flanks, I think I could live with it after all.
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We have trodden a similar route from 85 to 99 we had 3,in stock trim the K just didnít do for me/us iíve Changed wheels suspension dog bones jeez weíve had 4 seats before we got it right but the bike is as big as I ever wanted the ZZR is just not my thing but if you do itís the Ohlins spec one you want.

I have quite a bit to do with the trade who ride all sorts the famous quote(Ohlins spec) ĎItís the only bike iíve Ever ridden where the speedo works quicker that the Rev counterí but donít plan on going around too many corners thatís not what they were built for.
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Bowker fitted a new battery and returned the bike this week. Seems to have made a big difference in the way it fires up, now starting when the first piston up meets its first spark.

So, a stay of execution for now but a ZZR1400 awaits if there are any more tantrums.
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Hmmm - been squinting again at the Kwacker.

Without those blunderbuss exhausts (why two?), and setting aside those fins along the flanks, I think I could live with it after all.

I think the fins add a bit of style and uniqueness to the ZX14R and I think Kawasaki should hire new designers since they have the worst looking exhaust of any bike I've seen except maybe the Suzuki B-King. Truth be told the bulbous exhaust do kind of grow on you but if not there are tons of aftermarket exhaust available for any budget. Once you ride the ZX14R you'll forget about its minor flaws and fall in live with its performance
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LOL, jinxed myself. A few days later had a pathetic hot-start fail out on a ride when I stopped to check a map on my phone. One 'garauh' and it was done. First attempt to bump start on level ground was unsuccessful, so walked it further to a dip in the road and then got it going. Sad. Next service I will nag the dealer, see whether they can bill the fatherland for the hot-start fix.
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Agreed.

Mea Culpa.

I won't be trusting that Optimate again.

In fact, I've just tested it by trying to charge up a house-brick.

It still didn't light red . . .
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First attempt to bump start on level ground was unsuccessful, so walked it further to a dip in the road and then got it going.

Max - sorry to hear this.

Not easy to bump-start are they, especially with an audience of owners of 'lesser' bikes sneering at the posh git with the Beemer . . .?
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Agreed.

Mea Culpa.

I won't be trusting that Optimate again.

In fact, I've just tested it by trying to charge up a house-brick.

It still didn't light red . . .

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IF I understand the newer bikes right.. they will refuse to kick over at 10v or below. If your battery is a 6 cell.. and its ~12 v.. it may float at 12v, but put a load on it.. disspiate that float and she'll drop below 10v in a heartbeat.. If you have less than 6 cells, you're looking at a larger potential drop when you push that starter button.

I'm not a k13 rider.. wish I was but I'll have to stick with my k12rs for now.. Can you easily check battery voltage while cranking when it is doing this? Maybe a tender lead perm hooked to the battery with the pigtail hanging out (so you can hook your multimeter to the leads)?

I know there is a retrofit for my bike that is supposed to act exactly like that.. it drops below xx voltage and she wont crank.. fixes and issue with the relay welding itself shut I hear?
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I'm not a k13 rider.. wish I was but I'll have to stick with my k12rs for now..

I'll never ditch my ancient K12RS - would not have had the K13 as my only bike.

I would have both bikes on trickle charge over winter, but I don't have mains electricity in my garage (aka the BeemerBarn.)

I'll be taking out both batteries once frost arrives and trickling them indoors, fitting them only when I need a winter ride.
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I'll never ditch my ancient K12RS - would not have had the K13 as my only bike.

I would have both bikes on trickle charge over winter, but I don't have mains electricity in my garage (aka the BeemerBarn.)

I'll be taking out both batteries once frost arrives and trickling them indoors, fitting them only when I need a winter ride.
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Hmmm - been squinting again at the Kwacker.

Without those blunderbuss exhausts (why two?), and setting aside those fins along the flanks, I think I could live with it after all.

The why of those two large mufflers on the ZZR was to get the huge HP and meet the sound regulations. Unless you are a way above average rider (we all think we are don't we) you are not going to outride the ZZR's handling or braking capability.

You're battery problem is why I run Lithium Ion battery's in my bikes. I also change them every two years. They have three downsides-cost-don't like temps below 32F for long periods of down time, need special charger. The upsides are 25% or less of weight of conventional battery's, very high CCA rating, They don't lose their full voltage charge for a much longer period of time than a conventional battery does.
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Iíve posted many a time about taking mine off an Optimate and 175 miles late fell flat on its face hence why I have them on a charger maybe once a month and see how long it takes to a full charge.

Iím lucky with the fact I walk out of my living room straight into the garage which is house temperature.
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Iíve posted many a time about taking mine off an Optimate and 175 miles late fell flat on its face hence why I have them on a charger maybe once a month and see how long it takes to a full charge.

Iím lucky with the fact I walk out of my living room straight into the garage which is house temperature.

Same here Chris, if I had to leave my motorcycles outside in the winter I would not use a lithium ion battery.
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Maybe Mea not so Culpa after all . .

Bike delivered to me on October 3, complete with new BMW battery.

Rode that weekend, all good.

Since then (ten days) bike has been in a warm garage, under cover, no frost in England yet.

Just been to start it as it's a glorious Autumn day and - click - nothing. Dash lights up, flashers flash, horn very loud - so to me that means there is strong voltage. Hit that horrid little red button and, exactly as before, just get a muted click deep inside the bike from what I presume is the starter relay.

It is insured. I am tempted to accidentally torch it, but am now so full of distrust that I doubt it would even catch fire.

Looks like Kawasaki will have a new customer very soon.

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David, I am so sorry to hear it, but this bit reminds me of some smartass'd shit that I would say. Good luck with the funeral ceremony sir.
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My guess is that it would ignite. But, the violence of the ignition would be in direct proportion to the cycle's proximity to something valuable that you did not want to burn with the least insurance. Payback.
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Just one final check on my sanity please guys :-

Am I being unreasonable to expect a £15,000+ motorcycle with a brand new battery to be able to start after ten days in a warm garage, with no immobiliser or anti theft device fitted to drain said battery??
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Just one final check on my sanity please guys :-

Am I being unreasonable to expect a £15,000+ motorcycle with a brand new battery to be able to start after ten days in a warm garage, with no immobiliser or anti theft device fitted to drain said battery??

No you are not. I would say the real problem remains unresolved. Possibly some draw on the battery that remains undiagnosed and is drawing it down when the bike is idle or possibly the starter motor is not getting full voltage due to a intermittent voltage drop in the system. This bike needs to go to a BMW mechanic who really knows their stuff and obviously not whoever has been working on it to date for you to resolve this problem. I would go on the BMW site in England (euroclub) and solicit advice on a really good BMW mechanic that has extensive experience with K1200/1300 bikes and electrical problems in England. I am saying don't ask for advice on how to fix the problem yourself but ask for links to expert mechanics and then call them and describe the problem and what has already been done before picking one. Electrical problems can be a bitch and in my experience most otherwise good mechanics are not so good at diagnosing them. The solution will seem obvious once fixed. Way to good a machine to take the loss you will if you trade it off.
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Thanks John.

I have just had the brand new battery out and on charge on my Optimate.

Showing green light and fully charged after 30 minutes. Put it back on the bike. Ignition on. Hit the button and - still zilch. Just a click.

So that means it cannot be (just) a battery drain problem. Lots of juice to flash the indicators and blast the horn. So I don't think my 'old' battery was faulty after all.

Bowker coming back for sixth time to retrieve the bike next week. Warranty expires in December. Now I'm worried.

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Just to put you all in the picture. Again. This bike has already been back under warranty five times.

1 Clutch judder. New pushrod fitted. Made no difference.
2 Clutch judder. New plates fitted. Now acceptable.
3 Starter motor sprag clutch not engaging. You could not replicate the problem so sent bike back to me.
4 Hot Start kit finally fitted to cure known and notorious hot start problem -despite your assurance that this had been done before I agreed to purchase bike The previous owner (Chris Walker) had this problem but part exchanged it for an S1000RR with you, so never had chance to see if you'd fixed it. Did you just wheel in back into the showroom, untouched?
5 Dead starter circuit. 'Caused by old battery'. New battery fitted, bike returned on October 3. Seemed OK when I rode it that weekend.

So today I took the afternoon off work as it is a glorious autumn day. Bike would not start. Again, plenty enough voltage to flash indicators and blast horn, but just a 'click' from deep inside when starter pressed.

So I thought, maybe it's my fault, expecting a £15.000+ motorcycle with a brand new battery to start after ten days in a warm garage with no anti-theft device fitted which might drain battery. . .?

Took battery off and charged it. Green light on my Optimate within minutes. Reinstalled battery. Made no difference. Lots of juice but just a dull click.

Stuart is collecting the bike yet again next Tuesday.

You should be deeply ashamed and embarrassed at lumbering a customer with this catalogue of faults. I suggest that, if you cannot promise me that a totally reliable and fully sorted bike will be returned, it is time you offered me a full rebate on my purchase so that I can replace the K1300S with a new bike that I can actually ride, use fully, and trust.

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David, as others have said, a) you have an oddball electrical issue that Iím confident will get sorted, and b) the bike is too good of a bike to get rid of and lose money on. That said, here in the States, we are able to, and I did just that, buy and extended OEM coverage warranty prior to original OEM warranty expiring.

I did it for peace of mind, as my bike had zero issues. It ended up that I had the FD seal replaced 3 times and that paid for the warranty.

Are you able to buy such a warranty?

As an aside, I would ask the dealer to duplicate your circumstances you described in your recent post, and to keep the bike until they have it figured out. This may give them time to consult with the Mothership, and possibly replace a string of these expensive components under warranty in search of an answer.

Good luck to you! The bike is worth the effort and you seem to have a one-off issue.
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This is fixable, don't give up, get mad and make a choice that will cost you a lot of money. I would suggest that if you have not already done so to contact BMW's tech or sales rep in your region and have a talk with them about your dealers inability so far to resolve the problems and getting an extension of the factory warranty for the use time lost and trouble getting these problems resolved. Get a response from the BMW rep in writing detailing what they are willing to do to resolve your problem. Good luck
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Some of this sounds like a bad ground connection somewhere in the starter wiring. This would cause a known good battery fail to provide adequate current. If I were the mechanic I would be checking grounds and wiring to them as a start. This could be as simple as a bad terminal on a wire end.
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Some of this sounds like a bad ground connection somewhere in the starter wiring. This would cause a known good battery fail to provide adequate current. If I were the mechanic I would be checking grounds and wiring to them as a start. This could be as simple as a bad terminal on a wire end.

WPV this is the sort of stuff I was referring to when I said most otherwise good mechanics are not good on wiring diagrams or electrical problems. You have to understand the wiring diagram and take a logical step by step approach. BMW no longer having complete wiring diagrams doesn't help either. They are on the computer and only separate sections of the wiring diagram are viewable at one time.
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This may sound a bit foolish but since some of the probable cases have already been explored it may be worth a shot. I had a K12S that had a non start problem with similar symptoms that defied diagnosis. I found a workaround that got the bike to start. You may want to try it. Ignition on, bike in neutral, clutch in, side stand up, hit the starter, nothing. Now try pushing the shift lever up toward second and down toward first while hitting the starter button. If it starts, you can buy me a beer. If not scream curse and repeat. It takes the right touch tickling the shifter. Once I got it figured out I stopped bringing it back t the dealer,. I called it BMWs undocumented anti theft device. Good Luck Mate!
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