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Old 10-11-2018, 06:20 PM
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Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?


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I've become curious how many riders on this site utilize trail braking while riding on the street. I've created a public poll, if you vote "Yes I trail brake", please drop a message and let me know what bike(s) you are currently riding that you trail brake on.


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Update/Edit (Post #14): Coming back to say that I know/understand trail braking myself. Just clarifying as several have offered to explain it to me. In a few days (after we have more poll participation) I'll come back to what I was really wondering/trying to get at here.
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Re: Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

Practice it when I can in familiar and known road conditions..
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Re: Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

I think the attached offers a reasonable summary of what trail braking involves:

http://www.ridinginthezone.com/10-th...-trailbraking/

And yes I trail brake as defined on all my bikes, but I mainly use it on tight downhill turns where I can't see the exit and so don't want the bike to gain speed by releasing the brake when the corner might tighten up on me.
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Re: Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

I don't use it and I really don't like/want to see a red brake signal light up in a corner in front of me...
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Re: Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

I have been reading a lot about trailbraking the past couple months and spoke to a few of the "coaches" at local trackdays about it. Funny how you read/hear so many conflicting ways to ride a motorcycle fast.


What I've distilled from the information I have is that trailbraking is a form of chassis control that accomplishes two things.

First, it slows you down and sets your speed for the slowest part of the corner, somewhere around the apex.

But second, it sets up the chassis and suspension to smoothly transition you to full lean into a corner.

As far as the technique itself, it's more about how you release brake pressure past turn in as you appraoch the apex than how late or hard you brake. Sometimes the braking is lighter and longer.

From what I gather, the fast track guys almost always use some sort of trail braking particularly for entry corners where they fly past me going into the turns.

If you watch motogp, watch how long and how deep the forks are slammed to the bump stop as they approach the apex. This is of course trail braking taken to the extreme. Their front tires just grip and grip and grip.
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Re: Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

I trail brake on the street. Have been trail braking for as long as I can remember.
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Sometimes but not all the time.
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All the time. Settles the suspension.
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Re: Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

Most of the time on the street I use engine braking versus trail braking with my brakes so I marked no but I would agree with the author of the article that both methods perform the same function
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Re: Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

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All the time. Settles the suspension.

Ditto, especially when I’m riding those pesky European mountain roads and hairpins.
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Re: Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

After a safety meeting with KentheMF'ingGrass, I was contemplating this exact idea when I almost ran off the road because I wasn't paying attention to my riding.
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Re: Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

Always, but mostly to make U turns easier. Maybe a little in corner entry to scrub off speed just come off the rear brake late. Tough on a K bike as it is a little linked. R75 use it more but it is way less effective.
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Update/Edit: Coming back to say that I know/understand trail braking myself. Just clarifying as several have offered to explain it to me. In a few days (after we have more poll participation) I'll come back to what I was really wondering/trying to get at here.
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Update/Edit: Coming back to say that I know/understand trail braking myself. Just clarifying as several have offered to explain it to me. In a few days (after we have more poll participation) I'll come back to what I was really wondering/trying to get at here.

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Re: Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

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I don't use it and I really don't like/want to see a red brake signal light up in a corner in front of me...

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I agree to an extent. When the brake light comes on mid corner it may indicate that the rider has misjudged entry speed.

But on a tight downhill turn I'll brake to what I think is the correct corner entry speed and then hold it very lightly until I can see what the corner is doing. If it tightens up then I may need to apply more brake. If it opens up then I can release the brake and accelerate out of the corner.

What I don't want to do is brake to what I think is the correct corner entry speed, release the brake only to find that the corner is tightening and have to reapply the brake mid corner which just unsettles it.
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Re: Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

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Update/Edit: Coming back to say that I know/understand trail braking myself. Just clarifying as several have offered to explain it to me. In a few days (after we have more poll participation) I'll come back to what I was really wondering/trying to get at here.

No doubt you do.

From my standpoint, though, I definitely have not been utilizing it as much as I should or could and wanted to share my understanding of it. I am on the steep part of the learning curve on this one.

And be corrected if I was wrong.

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Re: Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

Well look at what you have at your disposal to control the bike:

1n no order of priority:

1. The throttle - open it to accelerate, close it to decelerate

2. The clutch and gear lever - to change up and down, and in changing down to perhaps use the engine to help with braking

3. The brakes front and rear, perhaps performing slightly different functions as well as slowing the bike down

4. The handlebars - these babies help you steer the thing!

So there are some who pride themselves on never braking in a corner. But if the corner is downhill - so releasing the brake might cause the bike to accelerate - and the corner is tightening - so your initial estimate of corner entry speed is an overestimate - why not hold onto the brake just a bit to either hold your speed through the corner or indeed apply a bit more to scrub a bit more speed off.

The Rapid Training chaps I use in the Uk say why would you want to eliminate #3 above as a means of controlling the bike in these circumstances.

I agree, that's why I use it.
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Re: Trail Braking - Yes, No, WTF is Trail Braking?

This technique is used in my everyday riding. When done wrong it can be an expressway through a ditch!

I don't use the technique in every corner. It started out as a confidence builder when braking late. It also has been a disadvantage as it has covered up some bad riding techniques.

For me, when done right, I feel like I'm on a rail all through the corner. Yes, the rear brake pads wear out earlier than the fronts.


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There is a lot of misunderstanding about the technique of trail braking; specifically people seem to be either for using trail braking, or against it. Keith Code and the California Superbike School are often thought to be in the camp that is against using trail braking and that they only advise getting all your braking done before you begin to turn the motorcycle. In this exclusive interview Code answers all our questions about trail braking.

MM: Let’s start off first by defining trail braking. What exactly is trail braking?

KC: It’s the tapering-off of brake lever pressure for controlling the bike’s rate of deceleration. That’s the most basic definition. Commonly, the term is used to reference the action of tapering-off brake lever pressure while leaning into a corner. Probably the easiest way to illustrate this is to get the idea of keeping the forks compressed roughly the same amount from braking through to leaning the bike into the turn. You would have to coordinate the release of brake pressure with the increase of leaning. The deceleration load on the forks diminishes while the cornering centrifugal force of the turn increases as the bike is leaned. That’s how I originally described and photographed it back in 1983.


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